amy_player ([info]amy_player) wrote,
@ 2007-03-04 20:23:00
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To Whom It May Concern

 

You have known me as Amy Player, as Strwriter, as Voyagerbabe, VB, Victoria Bitter, Mr. Frodo, and Jordan Wood.  I am NOT re-entering fandom by making this statement, and I want it known from the very beginning that I am doing so completely alone.  No one knows I'm going to make this post, and I am probably going to catch a lot of hell from people who have told me that I should just move on with my life and not poke the crazy online people. 

 

However, I can't do that.  It is basic ethics that when you have wronged someone, you cannot move on without apologizing, and I have wronged a lot of people.  What I am doing here is not a plea for sympathy, nor an excuse, nor any attempt to weasel my way out of anything.  I am 23 now, an adult, and I need to take an adult's responsibilities for the actions of my teen years, and for the ramifications they have had.  Not only that, but I don't believe that you are all just crazy people.  I was one of you once, and I know that there are many very decent individuals among you who know nothing other than that you were lied to and used, and you deserve to at least hear the other side of the story, both so that you can make your own judgments as rational people, and so that you can stop worrying that somewhere, out there, the next post in your favorite fandom might be VB, poised to strike again.

 

For the record, I have in fact moved on with my life, and have spent the last several years trying to make amends of it.  I have gotten a lot of therapy, and what I am writing here is the product of a huge amount of self-exploration and difficult self-confrontation, as well as professional help and guidance.  I have re-connected with my family, moved away from Hollywood, have and intend to have in the future no contact with any fandom of any kind, re-discovered God, changed my name, come to terms with myself as a transgender man, and am now seeking both gender reassignment surgery, normal employment, and a normal, healthy life.  As previously stated, this confession/setting things straight is part of that. 

 

I first came to online fandom shortly after puberty, under the name of Strwriter.  I was a passionate Star Trek fan, and the idea that I might be transgender had not yet even vaguely occurred to me.  What I did know was that I was unusually intelligent, and that none of the other girls particularly liked me (I did not have any real co-ed opportunities, so all I knew of boys was from books and movies) and that I desperately longed to be accepted.  I knew that on the internet people could have all kinds of different identities and be whomever they wanted to be, but I didn't understand much beyond that, and both through age (13) and the kind of blindness only the naively intelligent are capable, I didn't really care.  What I knew is that I could type anything to anyone and they would like me. 

 

This started getting out of hand beyond the usual teenage online self-role-playing when I discovered an entire new world on the internet...sex.  I was aware of the mechanics of it, previously, and that it was something that was very nice for married people to do, and terribly sinful and bad for unmarried people, but there had never been any remote appeal to anything about it before.  I had been warned that pretty soon, I would be wanting it with boys, but I dismissed that as utterly ridiculous. 

 

It stopped becoming ridiculous as soon as I started discovering increasingly explicit fanfiction.  However, it was a discovery far more upsetting to me than simply "oh, THAT'S what all the fuss is about." To my horror, I realized that I was a horribly perverted person.  I was thinking about it all the time, but in badbadbad ways.  What I know now is that I was thinking about it from the male perspective, with an almost preternatural instinct to the male half of things, but at the time, I just knew that like so many things about me before, it wasn't SAME.  I became fascinated and obsessed with boys, true, but not the way I was 'supposed' to be.  I was tremendously covetous.  I wanted to know everything about men's bodies and men having sex in the way that anyone obsesses about something they desperately and unobtainably desire to possess, and simultaneously, I was hungry for information about the women's side of things, hoping to find somewhere in all these women expressing their sexuality whatever it was I was missing.  And always, always the hunger for acceptance.  For someone to tell me - preferably many someones - that I was wonderful, perfect, fabulous, talented, etc. to counteract the constant sick feeling that something unknown was hideously wrong with me.

 

Of course, all of the groups that held adult fanfiction were off-limits to a 14 and later 15 and 16 year-old, but that was okay.  I needed in desperately, I rationalized, so I'd just make another identity.  In retrospect, the choices I made there were psychologically pretty transparent.  I created an identity who was horribly scarred, sick, messed up, and dirty, with a terrible, sexually deviant past...but it wasn't her fault, of course.  Thus, I thought, I could explore as much as I needed to, and no one would hate me for being so hungrily curious about THAT, nor be shocked and hate me if I let slip any clues how messed up I was about it.  Of course, I tried not to let that show, faithfully parroting the other women both in conversations and in fic, so that hopefully I could just find out what was wrong with me and how to fix it without them knowing.  Yes, I took it too far...WAY too far, including visits in person and telephone conversations behind my parent's back.  But at the time, it seemed justified.  After all, I couldn't let anyone know how bad I really was, nor could I stop what seemed my only hope for finding a way to fix it, as it was the only thing in my life that addressed sexuality at all. 

 

Looking back at some of the stories I was writing then, I find it almost tragically laughable - there is remarkably good writing interspaced with saccharine pap cut and pasted straight out of the cliche generator.  You can almost sort it sentence by sentence into "VB writing" and "VB Fitting In". 

 

Then, at 16, I found slash.  I had been in entirely het groups previously, who were very scornful of slash, and had simply dismissed it as BAD, but then I stumbled across my first one by accident, as it was unmarked.  Like the old children's game of hot and cold, I practically heard my psyche whisper "warmer!" The concept of homosexuality was even vaguer to me than that of sex had been.  I knew it was men who did sinful sex things with other men, or women who did sinful sex things with other women, and that it was a lifestyle choice that they made.  But here for the first time, were stories about people wrestling with "I'm different, it's my shameful secret, it's about sex and gender, and I'm compelled to lead a double life to hide it." 

 

All remaining vestiges of moral restraint went flying out the window as I had to get into the slash community.  Surely IT was there. This was closer than anything I'd yet found.  But it had to be hidden even more carefully, so the lies grew thicker and faster, and I got better at them, discovering refinements such as "if you're an American, you're a smarty-pants, if you're British, you're just cool" at blending just enough truth into my fictions, and playing different stories to different people. 

 

The good news of this phase was that it opened me up for the first time to the amazing discovery that God created more variety among humanity than Heterosexual Male and Heterosexual Female, and that there were people out there who were tolerant of that.  It also, however, messed me up in a lot of ways.  Already socially awkward, I became flat out incompetent off the internet.  Already having serious problems with out of control behavior from the hormones of puberty (estrogen and I DO NOT MIX) I was further driven to half-psychosis both by the stress of maintaining these webs and by the lack of sleep from regularly spending entire nights on the internet with my new-found hope and curse.  Already having serious problems with the truth (never easy for someone who is lied to every day by their own body, as I've found out) lying was becoming more second nature than telling the truth as I tried to keep the increasingly growing spider's web out of my offline life.  I also at that time started to hate and resent my parents, my upbringing, and my religion with a desperate fervor.  THESE people were far closer to understanding what I was, and the slashed characters were far closer to BEING what I was (ironically, I identified far more fully with the most well-written male slash characters than I ever had with female characters) than anyone around me, and they all hated and feared their families, the real world, and the Christian Church. 

 

Lessons learned and internalized with the uniquely stupid fervor of the very young.  Sadly for me, most people who are that phenomenally messed up at such a young age and with so little experience are usually sniffed out and helped for what they are very quickly.  I was a little too good for my own good, and although occasionally people caught me as a liar, no one ever saw past all the facades that were hiding THE BIG SECRET...that I still didn't even know the answer to.     

 

At 17, I entered college, my first experience simultaneously with formalized education, with a full, co-ed social structure, and with living away from home...while leading a quintuple life online, still struggling with my unknown terrible thing, clinically deranged to the point of paranoid episodes once a month, and with a psychotic, obsessive need to make people like me. Oh, and I was abruptly adopted as the pet of an egotistical manic-depressive failed artiste with delusions of grandeur who was simultaneously the most loved and hated professor in the theater department, and by the most bohemian inner core of theater people, including trying to have a boyfriend with a semi-gothic Australian.  Yeah, that's right, I was in theater on top of it, having never been in any actual production since a summer-camp-type thing at the age of 10.  If I had ever wondered what it must have been like watching the Hindenburg, ring-side seats to my mental health that year must have been pretty close. 

 

The lying reached nuclear levels, and I was starting to lose touch with reality and begin facing an actual nervous collapse, when "salvation" came to me.  Oh, Jesus Christ, if I could undo ONE mistake...

 

No one is probably going to believe me, but I can't even remember her name, though her face is as clear in my memory as if she were sitting next to me.  She was the Priestess, and she had all the answers.  Yes, the Christian Church, my parents, and their narrow thinking were the problem.  Yes, there was something different about me, but no, I wasn't messed up.  Yes, I felt oddly divorced from my body, and increasingly from reality.  Yes, I had serious problems at this point being ABLE to tell the truth, because everything I said might endanger another lie and make someone not like me and/or find out.  Yes, I felt terribly alone.  But all this wasn't because something was wrong with me, it was because I was special, wonderful, gifted, a miracle, even. 

 

I was a Paladin, she told me, a spiritual and psychic warrior capable of channeling the spirits of others...ghosts, demons, the living, the dead, even the non-human.  The Church would never accept me, but The Goddess knew what I really was and loved me, and the Priestess would help me love and understand myself as a rare lesbian Paladin.  The reason I felt divorced from my body is that I could separate from it to allow the souls of others...it's also why I felt so connected to the male characters from my writings, because male spirits regularly flowed through me because my lesbian energies were very compatible to them.  Already near my wit's end, I swallowed it, hook, line, and pentacle.  It was the closest thing I'd ever had to an answer, and most tellingly, I thought, she had approached ME with it, telling ME my darkest shames and where they had come from.  At the time, it seemed an unquestionable miracle.  Now, I see that I was flying psychological flags and signs miles high to anyone who knew how to read them.

 

All of this, of course, had to be carefully guarded against anyone who was Closed Minded, but the pagans have had to keep their secrets for millennia, so that seemed okay.  I got drawn in deeper and deeper without even realizing it, and in hindsight, I honestly can't say how I managed to start believing that faeries and gnomes and dark wizards and all these non-human creatures straight out of Dungeons and Dragons were real...and talking to her through me. But I did.  Profoundly. 

 

By the time Lord of the Rings came out in winter of 2001, I had all but completely dropped out of the real world, existing only for my online web and my life as a Paladin.  I was spending weeks alone in my apartment, skipping classes, ignoring friends and family.  My Priestess had told me that it was yet another example of how The Sacred has to be slipped in to the truth of the ages in a way unbelievers can handle, but that Tolkien wasn't just making a metauniversal statement.  Nae, the Red Book of Westmarch was more real than the Christian Bible, being a single faded volume found by the Professor and painstakingly translated to prove the truth of a history lost to the brutal censorial axes of the post-Constantine Romans.  I was such a strong Paladin, in fact, that I could probably call forth a vision of the finding...and, of course, I did, which proved it.  But you know what? I can now say that I can tell every one of you to call forth a vision of Mickey Mouse beating an elephant with a bunch of carrots, and you all will.  It's the human imagination.  A miracle in itself, yes, but...

 

Well, anyway.  I was still keeping those lives mostly separate, and I got into Lord of the Rings fandom surprisingly separate from my increasingly bizarre spiritual journey through same.  I was already active in Sharpe fandom, Sean Bean was in Lord of the Rings...and when I followed the line, I found an enormously active slash fandom.  In I went, discovering that here was a place where my intensive immersion recently into fantasy thinking served my pen even more praise than my experience with 18th century living history had served me in Hornblower!

 

The formation of BitofEarth the mailing list and website went exactly as it appeared...honestly, the best records of that are to be found on the list itself.  All the shenannigans with me were happening on chats, my livejournal, and emails having nothing to do with BoE yet, and everything to do with what they always had: PLEASE VALIDATE ME!

 

Spring of 2002, I had what I now consider the beginning of my legal separation from reality.  It's okay, we've had counseling now, and the relationship has been repaired, but 2002-03 were really close to the brink of divorce, and it began in March. 

 

I had been recently informed by my Priestess that a halfling spirit from the past would soon contact me, that he was trapped in a terrible darkness, and that only I could save him.  I was already close friends with Orangeblossom, (though I am going to leave her out of this statement as much as possible, as I AM doing this alone and am not going to speak for her) and what happened next is already a matter of public record, and, fairly perhaps, ridicule.  Yes, I did believe that I was channeling Merry, and then others.  I believed it completely, and letting my desperate ego hide my low self-esteem, I believed it all the more because I didn't think I was good enough to make up anything as compelling as it became. 

 

June of 2002, I went to meet Orangeblossom in person in Oregon.  It was a deeply profound experience, getting to "channel freely' with someone else in person, and there it wound up taking a still-further turn into the bizarre.  Focusing on trying to 'reach' Frodo, I found myself 'bringing' Elijah Wood by accident.  I since understand that what I was really doing was an uncontrolled mix of free-association and role-playing, but at the time, I thought it was all very real. 

 

Though even I was reluctant at first to believe it could be possible to have channeled a living human being, my doubts were shattered when things I had "channeled" were proven to be true in the DVD release and in interviews that hadn't occurred yet.  What had actually happened, of course, is that I already knew a near-fanatical amount about that young man from being a fan to the level I was, and any good profiler can tell you that someone with a gift for getting into the heads of others (like a writer) and enough information can often predict other people's actions to a creepy extent.  Yet from my point of view, it was irrefutable evidence, and this one felt more right than anything previous (no surprise, as I was for the first time role-playing a human male, near my own age, struggling with sexual identity issues and trying to juggle what people expected of him with his true self).  I believed heart and soul that I was channeling the spirit of Elijah Wood.  I have tried to explain this away as just "role playing that got out of hand" before, or as "poking the tinhats", but that's just excuse-making to try and hide how phenomenally fucked up I was. 

 

Being Elijah gave me the ability to be a boy, and I clung to it with a fervor I didn't know I was capable of, nor was willing to admit to.  I believed that something had clearly gone wrong with the Paladin powers, because "Amy" was less and less willing to return (given the option, I was loathe to be a lesbian girl again) and Elijah was slowly splitting off a second consciousness from himself and taking over my body.  This is about as far from reality as it ever got, and lasted through all of 2003.  Yes, I thought I was the split-off duplicate channeled soul of Elijah Wood the entire time I was planning and attempting to execute Project Elanor and all the other BitofEarth events. 

 

Yes, that is crazy.

 

Yes, that is fucked up. 

 

No, I don't think that absolves me. 

 

As Elijah, I tried to deal with the 'terrible situation' of being split off from myself and trapped in a girl's body (the closest I had yet come to confronting being transgender, as the only other exposure I had to the concept was MsAllegro, who sets off every NO alarm in ANYONE'S book) as best I could, even taking some people 'into my confidence' to 'tell them the truth.'  Which was spinning farther and farther away from what anyone else on this planet knew as reality. 

 

I also got BitofEarth into HUGE trouble from a fire triangle of three different major problems, all of which I am owning up to freely.

 

1: I was relying on a lot of "knowledge" which I wasn't aware I was making up.  This was primarily about the movie industry, publicity, and my "friends" on the cast and crew.  Again, using the profiling principle, I was right enough of the time that I got an amazingly long way before it began crumbling around my ears, but in the end, the house (or the real world) always wins. 

 

2. I was at this point completely unraveled from what was and was not true about my own life, and what I believed about myself and my past could change from moment to moment.  This did not engender what you would exactly call a spirit of trust, which is something very important when you are working on a project of that magnitude.

 

3. Aware that I had lost everyone in my previous life - whether that was as Amy OR Elijah - I hung a crazed amount of importance on BitofEarth, the people in it, and them all continuing to like me at all costs.  Especially Orangeblossom, whom I had fallen in love with by then.  In order to try and maintain this, I took on ridiculously more than I could handle.  If someone wanted it, I promised it.  If I could find a way to do it - lie, cheat, hook, or crook - I did it, or if I couldn't, I came up with an excuse that made it not my fault.  I delegated my hugely overloaded plate to others, but when they weren't happy with the work, or if something went wrong, I took it back onto myself rather than confront them or drive them, even if I already had more than I could handle.  I considered the success of Orangeblossom's and everyone else's whims at BitofEarth to be the stuff of life or dearth, and had completely lost all perspective.  And if you're fighting for your life, not a convention or organization, you'll do anything, say anything, promise anything, and prop yourself up on a house of cards hoping you can find glue before the wind blows. 

 

Well, as everyone knows, the wind blew big time and I didn't have any glue.  Seeing the sure destruction of TentMoot and the exposure of the lies I had told to try and pull it off, I tried to kill myself.  I am actually very thankful for this, as the mandatory rest in the mental hospital was my first step towards re-connecting with reality. 

 

No, BitofEarth was not a scam.  I was never trying to get anything out of anyone, and I have never profited so much as a dime from any cast or crewmember, nor anyone associated with New Line Cinema.  As a matter of fact, Orangeblossom and myself spent ourselves into destitution and still OWE about $1,200 to Jeanine in money she spent on us because we were pumping every dime into BoE, and about $100 to the Kiwi's for money they spent on themselves because we had abjectly nothing.  I was never trying to con anyone, or to get anything out of it, even attention, as anyone who was in that inner circle can recall that I ducked the spotlight as though it were poison.  All I wanted was to make a lot of people happy, but I did it in a way that was maladjusted to say the least, and with the facts as truly beyond the bizarre as they are, I can certainly understand and hold no malice against those who could see no possibility but a deliberate scam. 

 

After the fall of BitofEarth, I tried a home-based business selling credit-card readers with a guy who I'd met at the mental home, but he WAS a scam artist, and I was soon standing on the sidewalk in San Dimas with Diamond, Orangeblossom, an eviction notice, and not a red cent to my name.  Begging at gas stations for money and gas to get us there, we made it into Hollywood, where we crashed on a friend's couch for a few days until we could scrape together the money taking pictures as costumed characters on the Boulevard to get a cheap motel room. 

 

We lived hand to mouth that way for all of 2004 and the first half of 2005, trying to repair our lives.  The maelstrom that destroyed BitofEarth, horrifying and painful as it was, was, in the end, I believe, the work of God.  It also destroyed the 'duplicate Elijah' and I had to start over looking myself hard in the face.  It was about this time that we separated from Diamond, who had begun having fits of temper where she would bite and attack us and herself, as well as stealing alcohol.  We have heard several stories about her going through quite the litany of roommates with several different horror stories of lies and dozens of identities on her part, but I don't trust gossip, and it's not my business anyway.  I haven't seen her in over 3 years, and I hope that she is well and has gotten the help she so clearly needed. 

 

Terribly afraid at being pinned as a con artist when I hadn't stolen from anyone, and seized with panic attacks at the thought of being made to live as Amy Player, a girl, I tried to adopt a new identity so that I could sort myself out while still living as a male.  No movie stars this time, no big deal, just a drifting 'actor, writer, jack-of-all-trades' with a mysterious past he wouldn't talk about.  I got a lot of therapy, found out about transgender, saved up money, got an apartment, and started looking at building up a long-term life again.

 

In October, an opportunity presented us to move to Toronto to help manage a small cafe and live in an attached apartment as roommates with the owners.  We felt that this was a perfect opportunity, as not only could we fully move back into the 'normal' workforce, but we could get a fresh start and be really honest with people, as we didn't have pre-existent relationships there created under a need to hide my insanity or my gender situation.  We told people that we were moving out East, flying to New York (this was true, flying to Buffalo and meeting our employers there saved over half on tickets) so that we could leave that far behind and live like normal people. 

 

God, however, does not allow Jonah to flee Ninevah.   The Toronto opportunity was a scam, and we were stranded in Buffalo.  In early February.  Of this year.  Nothing makes you look at your life like twenty degrees below freezing windchill.  I had already become a Christian again over the course of my therapy, once I knew that I was just another example of God's infinite diversity and not some terrible creature, but at the border, it seemed like He was speaking to me. 

 

****You can't run.  You can change, and you have changed, you can grow up, and you have grown up, you can mature, and you have matured, and you can go on to live a normal life, but you must deal with what you have done in the past.  I may be able to wipe your sins clean as though they never happened, but that does not absolve you of needing to face those you sinned against.*****

 

So we called Orangeblossom's mother, and my parents, and we have reconnected with our families.  I am home now, as I write this, patching things up with my parents, and at the end of this month will be moving on to a regular job and apartment with Orangeblossom and our little pet bird.  Our relationship has grown from two severely screwed up people clinging to each other to something amazingly precious and tried by fire, and we hope to spend the rest of our lives together. 

 

I do not expect forgiveness or absolution from any of you, but I do ask of you one thing.  Please do not try to destroy me any further unless I warrant it.  If I am caught with so much as a toe out of place in a charity, organization, business, or online, feel free to light the pitchforks, but as for the past...I beg you.  I was little more than a child, and a profoundly messed up one.  There was a police investigation, charges were never filed, civil fines were paid.  I am currently trying to set aside as much as I can per month of my paycheck (as soon as I have one) to pay off the last of my financial obligations to Jeanine, but I am really and truly trying to be a healthy and law-abiding grown man, no matter how disastrously crazy I was as a young girl.  Please, please...you have my social security number, my date of birth, my other vital stats, many of you.  I live in fear every day that I will find things done in my name for spite, that I will get a job only to find people parked outside my office yelling for my head, that years from now I will adopt a baby and have people organizing an internet campaign to call Social Services and get it taken...that my life will be ruined because in 2003, I tried to organize a fan convention when I should have spent that year in a mental hospital. 

 

I don't want your forgiveness. I'm willing to accept your anger, your hate.  I don't think this will just go away.  I know that the written word endures, that the things I wrote can never be taken off of the internet thanks to Google Cache and the Wayback Machine, and that there will always be a book out there commemorating what I have done, and what people thought of me because of that.  My lowest and darkest moments will always be public sport and satire, because I lied, and that is a sin, and to sin is both to hurt others and to bring their retribution upon you. 

 

I am not trying to escape, indeed, I am confronting it all head-on and with what I hope you can see is soul-baring honesty.  Comments are not locked.  I will even answer your questions on specific matters, and answer them in full honesty, as I know that however lengthy, this has just been an overview.

 

I have stopped running.  I have confessed my sins.  I await the consequences.  I deserve no forgiveness.  I only ask to be allowed to have a second chance at life, not at your lives. 

 

God Bless You

Sincerely

Just Me




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Fascinating.
[info]turimel
2007-03-05 04:43 am UTC (link)
Amy, I hope for your own sake that at least some of what you've said is true.

I'm already seeing bits and pieces of falsehoods--you claim that you went to Toronto in October, yet I have a photograph of you and Abbey, which was taken in Hollywood by a random tourist on the Blvd in January.

Seeing this "oversight" of the fact that you were, in fact, in California in January, when you've implied that you were in Toronto getting your newfound nards frozen off, makes me wonder what else you've exaggerated in your letter. Well, actually, it makes me wonder what scam you're trying to pull now, to be blunt. It certainly doesn't make me inclined to believe you.

Starting the process of repaying everyone you robbed would be an excellent way to restore a modicum of trust. You owe me money; you owe Sue money; you owe the Twins, the Kiwis, SC Bob, Sam's parents, Squee, Poppy; you and Abbey owe her ex-husband; and God-only-knows who else. I won't even go into the back rent and unpaid bills that you've left behind you, or the money you promised to RIF. It will take you years to repay just the monetary insult you've done to so many people, but it starts with a single penny, as it were.

I also suggest a long, detailed, and apologetic letter to each and every person you wronged. Not a generic letter on LJ, though that is an excellent start (assuming it's sincere). Think 12-Step methodology--you're in Liars Anonymous, and it's time to come clean. You're going to have to prove yourself to everyone you've hurt with your antics, Amy. And BTW--that includes yourself.

I'm basing my response on the hope that, against all probability, you really are seeking to turn over a new leaf. I'm not holding my breath, but just as that huge LJ is devoted to showing the world what a crook you are, I'm also willing to report all the reparations you make. I hope this missive of yours is at least partly sincere, and that LJ can become a testimony about the power to heal. But I ain't holdin' my breath.

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Re: Fascinating.
[info]amy_player
2007-03-05 01:38 pm UTC (link)
I wasn't clear, not lying. We got the opportunity in October. You can't move instantly. We moved at the end of January, as you will note, I said we were at the border in early February. As for individual reparations, I intend to see who is still around, as I do not have many of their real names and such. Financially speaking, I borrowed money from you and promised to reimburse the Kiwi's, but I do not think that I owe the others money. If you mean that I should reimburse everyone every dollar they ever spent on BoE, than frankly, I cannot agree with you, both because there is no fair record of that, and that we ALL invested in that organization, myself included. The fact that it was a mistake to do so...I do not think it is unfair to say that many have admitted looking back that there was every indication I was unhinged. If you invest your time and money in something that is a bad idea, that's your fault. If I borrowed money from you, that's mine, and I can't MAKE a new start if I'm randomly flinging my paychecks into a free-for-all "hey, did you ever send so much as a penny to BoE or buy a pencil for our events?" If, however, as is quite possible, there are other people *I promised to pay back, not that were promised that events or emotional rewards of successful events would pay them back*, I will happily do so.

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Re: Fascinating. - [info]turimel, 2007-03-05 06:20 pm UTC
Re: Fascinating. - (Anonymous), 2007-03-05 06:23 pm UTC
Re: Fascinating. - [info]amy_player, 2007-03-05 06:25 pm UTC
Re: Fascinating. - [info]turimel, 2007-03-05 06:34 pm UTC
Re: Fascinating. - [info]fallofrain, 2007-03-06 05:30 am UTC

[info]commonreader
2007-03-05 04:58 pm UTC (link)
I WIN!

I would like to point to everyone reading that I predicted this young person would be taking refuge by associating themselves with the transgender community a good four years ago.

Dear Mr./Ms. Player: I wish you the best in your future career as a sexual minorities studies professor at UCLA. I kinda wish my taxes weren't going to go to pay for it, but then again, your career is likely to give the world such entertainment that at least it will be good value for the money.

Your friend,
the Common Reader

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[info]rakshi
2007-03-05 05:08 pm UTC (link)
Hi!! And.. welcome back!

Honey, the only one who's forgiveness you really need.. is yourself.

Do your best to make amends, yes. Say you're sorry where it would apply, yes. But forgive YOURSELF first and foremost.

I wish you luck, joy, and a renewed sense of inner peace. I'm on your side.

Love to Orange.... and to you.

Rak

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(Anonymous)
2007-03-05 05:51 pm UTC (link)
Honest or otherwise, this is an amazing document. It reads as if it came from someone who has been in therapy, who has begun the attempt to recover their life, and who is trying to reconnect with a family of another sort -- not rejoining fandom, but knowing the people in it again so that amends can be made.

Trust does not automatically come out of confession, and a great many people will still hate and revile you. That's the breaks, and if you're facing up to it, good for you. This is one of the few times in my 14+ years in fandom that I've seen the cause of a major wank actually come back, apologise, and attempt to repair the damage done. Good for you.

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[info]amy_player
2007-03-05 06:20 pm UTC (link)
My reply to Turi has given a lot of people the impression that I am refusing to pay back damages or to apologize to people individually. I wish to clarify that.

1. I am paying back every cent of what I owe Turi, who, as far as I remember, is the only person I actually borrowed money from. I am also finishing paying back the Kiwis. If someone else loaned me money, then I will happily pay them back as well.

2. As far as bills and such, I am working with a credit counselor on that...after negotiations on things like interest rates and penalty reductions and all the usual lets-make-this-managable stuff, it's going to be put into a single monthly payment for me, along with my student loan from when I dropped out of college, an old credit card, etc.

3. RiF was promised the profits from Project Elanor and the other events. The wood alone, as you have receipts for, cost well over half of the $3000 brought in. There were no profits...we didn't even quite break even. I have, however, written RiF a letter of apology.

4. Individual letters of apology have been written to certain people I was particularly close to. Some, like to RiF, Sean, and Turi, are going in the mail today and tomorrow. Others, like Little Sam, are waiting to see if the person shows up online and is willing to give me an address to send it to.

5. I am very sorry and eager to make amends. I am not, however, stupid. I am not going onto the internet and blanketly saying I will just pay back everyone who ever put money towards BitofEarth...with how disorganized we were, that's just BEGGING for people to come forward and say "Hi, I'm HobbitFan, from the Prancing Pony, you don't remember me, but I put $100 towards Sean's ticket for Elanor." That would be writing a blank check to the entire internet, and that's rock stupid. I also do not believe that I hold ALL responsibility for this. I was responsible for lying a lot, yes, but I WAS actually trying to make this organization work. It was NOT created nor run to try and take anything from anyone. Ergo, I think that while I am responsible for running it badly and it failing, I also think that there was a level of responsibility held by others. A responsibility to check out an organization or event before you throw your support into it...or risk not getting a return on that. If you invest in someone selling you the Brooklyn Bridge who pockets the money, that's their job to pay you back. If you invest in someone's bright-eyed dream of opening a Radio Shack in Lancaster, PA, then you will probably lose your shirt when they do.

Nonetheless, if someone feels that I have a legitimate debt to them, I will certainly listen, and almost certainly pay them back. I am definitely willing to make right everything I did wrong, but I'm not going to victimize myself in the process. Maybe that sounds like skipping out of responsibility to some, but I think it's being responsibile and therefore more able to meet my responsibilities.

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Who does Amy and Abby owe AGAIN
[info]thetrainshere
2007-03-14 02:21 am UTC (link)
AGAIN AGAIN AGAIN

All of us you screwed over, plus the convention center, the airlines, the travel agent, all of us you screwed over. Oh, yeah I already mentioned that.

Sue

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Echoing here - (Anonymous), 2007-03-15 11:07 pm UTC
In Regards to Blame
(Anonymous)
2007-03-05 06:44 pm UTC (link)
I am not blaming anything I've done on being transgendered or smart. What I AM saying is that if you take a young FTM who doesn't know what that is, raise them in an isolated, homeschooled, all-girls, religiously conservative and fundamentalist environment, give them a capacity to LEARN and DO far beyond their developmental ability to UNDERSTAND and COPE, and then turn them loose in a college theater department with a mentor feeding them a spectacularly screwy version of paganism...you get a world class, grade A headcase. Which is what I was.

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Re: In Regards to Blame
[info]amy_player
2007-03-05 06:45 pm UTC (link)
Goddamit, it logged out again. The above is me.

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Re: In Regards to Blame - [info]mosellegreen, 2007-03-06 03:06 am UTC
Re: In Regards to Blame - [info]purple_solle, 2007-03-05 08:12 pm UTC

[info]foresthouse
2007-03-05 07:41 pm UTC (link)
Why not poke the "crazy online people?" You know what you want is for them to poke back.

Seriously, if you are really telling the truth and are sorry for being such a monumental tool to so many people, stop trying to make excuses, stop posting, and go away.

Use your "unusual intelligence" to make a normal life, if you can.

P.S. At the age of 13-16, you didn't know anything about sex or homosexuality? Where did you live, a cave? I'm sorry, but I can't believe your best option at that point in your life was to create fake online personas and lie to everyone. What a dumb idea.

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[info]commonreader
2007-03-05 08:02 pm UTC (link)
No, s/he should be punished/rewarded with an eternal online reality show, obviously.

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age 13-16 - [info]devon, 2007-03-05 11:57 pm UTC
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(Anonymous)
2007-03-07 04:18 pm UTC (link)
...But I must also speak for myself -- as the founder, in a good many ways, of LOTR slash fandom...

That's a reeeeally heavy title you're putting on yourself, there... I know people who were going nuts with the LotR slash fandom back in 2000/01. You didn't 'found' anything. Sorry to say such, but I've been in the whole slash fandom a few years now-- not long, admittedly-- and I haven't ever heard of you.

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(Anonymous)
2007-03-06 02:54 am UTC (link)
You ARE a crazy internet person, you retard fucking she-male!

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[info]tel
2007-03-06 03:24 am UTC (link)
Hullo, you. I hope you remember me; I certainly remember you. and thought of you many times over the years. There's so much we need to talk about, you and I.

I'd very much like to speak with you privately, either in chat, via email, or best, on the phone. Please contact me. There were things said between Sean and I about you during that time, things I was asked not to discuss with others [and haven't mentioned to anyone since then]that are for you only.

I don't know what your name is now, but I knew you as Jordan.

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[info]nixwilliams
2007-03-06 07:44 am UTC (link)
hi, you don't know me, and i don't know you. however i have thought about you often since various wank brigades focussed their attention on you, particularly because what i read about you was screaming "fellow transperson!"

i'm glad to hear you're ok. good luck with everything.

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Silly Hobbitses!
[info]reprehensible
2007-03-06 09:53 am UTC (link)
Trickses are for kidses!

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[info]vandonovan
2007-03-06 11:42 am UTC (link)
I feel like I should say something, because I was extremely close to Orangeblossom before I really "met you" and I feel like I lost one of my best friends to you, when everything went down. I wanted to play, and things got too strange for me, and I was, most effectively, cut off. At the time, I was devestated, and hurt, to be so abandoned. In time, I grew to realize how lucky and smart and grateful I was. I watched, from there, to see Project Elanor--something I'd intially been been planning to participate in--fall apart. I watched as the events unrolled and I realized how grateful I was that I had been so effectively cut out of your life, and hers. But I did miss my good friends, and I hated how much being at Ground Zero had made me loathe my favorite fandom. I destroyed just about all contact I had with the LotR community, deleting fics, icons, art, etc., just to disassociate myself from it. It took years to be able to look at all that art and fic and see it for what it was: harmless fun.

Anyway, I'm sort of rambling. I've just stood on the sidelines, watching your life and OBs life through fandom_wank and whoever else has something to say, and feeling profoundly sad about it all. Part of me thinking you'd corrupted OB, part of me thinking you'd corrupted me. Part of me realizing you'd corrupted yourself . . . everyone else got so upset and mad, and many of them had reason to, but I was just sad. How could something that had been SO GOOD end so BAD? I have such wonderful memories that are tainted by what was to come.

I don't know what I'm saying. I'm just glad to see that you're recovering, in a way that you really, truly need to. I don't know how to separate your truths from your lies anymore, so I'll just take everything at face value. I hope this is all honest, and real, and true. I hope that OB is as dedicated to the change as you are. I hope that you can repay your debts, make your ammends and put the past behind you, having learned from it. Some part of me still misses OB, and yeah, you too, to a lesser extent, but I know that who you are now (and who I am now) is not who we were back in 2001/2002 . . . and I'm okay with that.

I just felt I had to say something. No one's ever realized how close to this I was, and that's always been a little hard.

Strange as it is to say, it's nice to see you again, and I'd love to hear from OB sometime.

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[info]frodolass
2007-04-10 01:56 pm UTC (link)
Van?! 0__0 Oh my God, of all the coincidences I never expected.. I had no idea you knew Abby once! You are probably unaware of this, but I was one of the "second level staff" that had been involved in the massive disaster of a con that never was, TentMoot. I don't know if you've read any of Sue's comments, but I believe she mentions us (John and I) as the couple whose wedding was nearly ruined as a result.

We met Abby and Jordon at Project Elanor and became "staff members" on the same day and had stayed on good terms with them, even visiting them in LA on multiple occasions, until the whole thing blew up in our faces one day before the con was supposed to start, essentially stranding us in Portland with no place to have our wedding. But with the help of Sue and the twins, we were able to pull a wedding together at the last minute. Good Lord, I don't know HOW it happened, but Abby even got a hold of my video camera somehow and video taped our wedding in line for ROTK! Even after we learned of everything that had happened! You can see the shock on my face captured forever on video the moment I noticed who was holding the camera - all this while I was walking down the aisle.

Okay, I'm completely rambling here and you probably didn't need to know all that, but I just about leapt out of my chair when I saw your username here. What a small world we live in, no? Now I really wish I had talked to you during Gallifrey One. ^.^;

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(Anonymous)
2007-03-06 12:40 pm UTC (link)
I'm glad you've begun the process of accepting resonsibility, and I hope you follow through on your promise to repay people. I'm sure if you do, most people will be willing to forgive you and move on.

I'm sorry that you're leaving fandom. It can be a weird but wonderful place.

Is there some name you prefer to be addressed by?

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(Anonymous)
2007-03-06 04:03 pm UTC (link)
I've been gone from the fandom in question for a long time. I didn't know you, but I knew of you through various channels.

What you did was extremely unpleasant and can't be put right, though you at least seem to have accepted that, which shows maturity.

I agree that you shouldn't be harangued or demonised for the rest of your life, and that people such as yourself, having made a commitment to change, should at least be given a chance to prove themselves reformed. You shouldn't be judged by something you did in your late teens once you hit your 30s and you're (hopefully) far, far away from all this.

You've got another 60-70 years of life to do good things and all being well, people will judge you by those instead.

Take care, and good luck in the future.

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(Anonymous)
2007-03-06 04:44 pm UTC (link)
Why choose your "Christian" name for this journal? If you don't identify yourself as a female or as "Amy," I don't understand why you'd choose this journal name.

If you're truly repenting and attempting to atone for your sins (your word), why make this post at all? Why not contact the people who you have most gravely hurt, work towards becoming solvent and paying off debts, continue on your self-improvement and/or gender reassignment, and live your life outside of the crazy online habits that seem to have gotten you in such straits?

It seems to me that this missive is an attempt to re-insinuate yourself into fandom. Fandom and online community that you don't appear to be willing to invest (for lack of a better word) into, but fully expect to be accepted into. If fandom is a give and take, and LiveJournal a fairly explicit example thereof, why does it seem like you are still just taking and consuming, instead of donating freely of yourself?

You eat fannish acceptance, admit it. Admit that you couldn't keep your newfound revelations to yourself. You still need validation and you've come to LiveJournal and your old fandom to get it.

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[info]moonjaguar
2007-03-06 05:34 pm UTC (link)
Hi,

First the hard stuff because I'm skeptical about the source: If you're some random yutz doing a mighty chainjerk, excuse me, social experiment because of the OMGdrama and internet buzz that mentioning Amy Player or VB causes, I say, interesting but please don't play on the feelings of people who did genuinely care about you. Part of it's the "finding Gawd" thing seeming a little OOC.

If you're the real deal, I want you to be all right. If you've found a higher power and it's God as you understand, I hope working with God brings you serenity. While your actions have been trainwrecky in the "look what VB did now, get the popcorn" style, it's better to want to set things right in whatever way feels right, though people will question your sincerity, motives or wonder (like me) "hey, is this the real Person Formerly Known As A.P. or a social experiment by someone else?"

I have a question: do you still want your fics on the Frolix archives? Let me or the Cap'n know (here or via e-mail) so we can make any changes or removals. I can also contact (or try to contact) Lachesis from Sailslash about fics archived there as well. As for the big gen site, I don't have contact with... gads, forgot her name, it's been ages.

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[info]amy_player
2007-03-08 12:14 am UTC (link)
Please, yes, take them all down. Also artwork, reviews, etc... And if anyone else out there owns/manages/knows someone with my fic in their archives, please take it down. Or if anyone knows how to get things taken off of Google and the Wayback Machine, or how to get into old anglefire and geocities pages if you've long forgotten the passwords...Seeing a pattern here?

Also, as far as why I'm going by Amy here, it's the legal name you knew me under. With the number of people who are entirely fairly furious with me, I am not going to be putting my current legal name online. Besides, you all wouldn't know that name from Adam, so it would make owning up to things under it kind of irrelevant.

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Name Change - [info]thetrainshere, 2007-03-11 04:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]moonjaguar, 2007-04-09 02:18 am UTC

[info]carmarthen
2007-03-07 04:23 am UTC (link)
I never interacted with you at all and wasn't really "in" LOTR fandom, but I remember Orangeblossom prior to all the drama as a kind person who was there for me during a somewhat difficult time in my life, so I'm glad to hear she's doing better these days, and I hope what you've posted here is sincere.

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Amy, Amy, Amy
(Anonymous)
2007-03-07 06:04 pm UTC (link)
Remember me? Sue, Former roommate in San Dimas,CA? The tone and blame going on in this LJ shows to me that the great manipulation of Amy Player and Abigail Stone continues. Di was a innocent and beautiful young woman who bought EVERYTHING you BOTH said. YOU had her moved to LA and used her until you didn't need her anymore. She would have NEVER been in that situation if it wasn't for BOTH of your lies. No one expects you to pay back what was actually put into the garden. EVERY dime was NOT put back into "BIT of EARTH". You, BOTH, should pay the full amount of both apartments back to Jeanine as you were the reason for the moves in OR and CA. Stay away from Sam. She took along time to get over the lies BOTH of you told. She is another beautiful young woman who you used to BOTH get you needs taken care of. Please don't mess with her again. Jeanine and the airlines? Where is that offer to Jeanine to start paying her for that? The time and trouble she spent fighting with the airlines over the money. I was there with Jeanine and saw the harassment she received from Wells Fargo and the airlines. Precious time Blame her for being trusting? We were all, a little too trusting when it came to doing good works in the name of "BIT OF EARTH". What about what you owe me? You know. The beautiful and generous twins, hearts of gold? What about the money you owe them that was not put into the garden. 2006, Jordan Wood who was 28 years old, born in England, graduating from university there, male, organizing characters? Scamming continuing? To take responsibility for your actions should have been to first contact all of us PRIVATELY, make PAYMENT arrangements even if it was just $5. each to start, and then SIMPLY apologize publicly, without a lengthy explanation. We all began to suspect that you had mental health issues but we also know that you knew what you were doing and when you were lying. There were TWO of you involved. Abigail Stone was involved with every aspect of what went on with us. The suicide con you BOTH pulled on your father. I am the one who called your father, as a parent, to tell him that the young woman I was a roommate with was his "dead" daughter. Abigail did this with you. Both of you talking to Jeanine on the phone "realizing that "Amy" must have committed suicide. While you "MOVED" on in BOTH of your lives, we had to pick up the messes you left behind. The garden , the convention center who by the way you owe a few thousand dollars to for their time and trouble for the "non" convention, regaining trust. This is not a bitter response. There was many good things that happened to me from being involved with this group. I have , as friends, people I met through "BIT OF EARTH" that are friends for a lifetime. The formation of OSG. Fans throughout LOTR are great people to be around. True hearted and fun. I would have never found these friendships and people if it were not for the garden. You notice my use of BOTH throughout this comment? It is because it wasn't "just" your mental illness that conned people, it was also Abigail Stone. It was BOTH of you that conned all of us. BOTH of you that were found to had committed charity fraud by the State of OR, BOTH of you that lied and used us. The gender thing is a non issue to me and most others. Quit demeaning yourself and others in your situation by blaming your bad behavior this or your parents not talking about sex. Your relationship with God is your personal thing and do not use it as legitimacy now. I hope you are getting help and trying to change your life. Tell your father hi for me as I had enjoyed getting to know him over the phone and finding out that he was not the horrible monster I had been told he was when I called him to tell him his daughter was not dead from suicide. I found him to be supportive of your choices regarding your sexual orientation. Amy, fess ALL to each of us privately. Tell Abigail about this as it will be a meaningless apology if you are still with her and she does not participate. I still have the shirelingboe@yahoo.com for you to contact me, my other e-mail is reserved for friends, and I can forward to others. Remember those who can forgive will never forget, or trust. Good Luck, Susan

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Lies I did not respond to
(Anonymous)
2007-03-07 06:55 pm UTC (link)
I ran out of characters so here goes again. I did not respond to every lie in your post, Amy because you know which ones are lies or stretches. I will respond to the Rif. We in the audience were told that the $3000. was raised for Rif. We were not told that what was left after garden expenses would go to Rif. Remember the money that was raised from other sources for the garden along with private donations? I have the records. Not a cent was sent to Rif even though our website stated it was. Documentation still exists. Over $3000. was raised. You need to pay back, to everyone, any money donated that was not put into things used for or put into the garden. The convention will only charge you for their out of pocket expenses, which is a few thousand dollars. They were gracious enough to not charge for the over $45,000. they lost in $ that weekend. When we offered to make payments to them they felt that Amy and Abby should be the ones to take responsibility, not the rest of us. If you are being legit I will get you in contact with them. We had to face that, alone, not you. Jeanine and I have a list of everything that you received that cannot be proved that went into the garden. All that you should pay back. The Di loan was in her's and Jeanines name but it was for the San Dimas Apartment. $3000. The apartment that was moved into on a lie. There is a lot of little things from many that add up. This is my concerns on the legitimacy of your apology because you feel that you only owe a small amount to Jeanine. If this was real you would accept responsibility for both loans for over $4000. and the money to pay back the airlines that Jeanine did not cause the reason for but is on her credit record and still owing. Small things Jeanine paid for and her time. Me? The Twins? Sam and her mother? Shopping cart Bob? September 2003, Remember the films? The not legitimate flight to LA? A wedding that Jeanine,I, John and Talisha and the theater paid for? The one that was canceled due to your failure with Tentmoot? The one where we picked up the pieces after you devestated their wedding finding two young people left alone in a motel room expecting to get married in a few days. I could keep on for a lengthy time, but the point is you orally and legally owe people money and time. Show this is real and address it all. Sue

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Re: Lies I did not respond to
[info]thetrainshere
2007-03-08 03:14 pm UTC (link)
OOPS!!!! MORALLY AND LEGALLY OWE MONEY to all of us.
Sue

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Re: Lies I did not respond to - [info]frodolass, 2007-04-10 01:59 pm UTC

[info]ark002
2007-03-08 07:32 pm UTC (link)
While, in a way, I appreciate you saying something, that's commendable. But (take notes) TRUTHFULLY you sound like a snobby, self-absorbed, manipulative, idiotic bitch. This apology is worth nothing to me, because after reading the first paragraph you still sound like the same old Amy.

Chill out, go back to school or something, cause you need to be normal (not talking gender, I don’t care about that, good on you that you're starting to get it figured out) But for real- You're a loser. What have you done with you're life besides be deviant and lie? I went to my prom, I have ASOME friends, I have a favorite English professor, and last night I had dinner with my two little brothers and my dad and my step mom- and I loved it. What did you do Amy?

"Lessons learned and internalized with the uniquely stupid fervor of the very young. Sadly for me, most people who are that phenomenally messed up at such a young age and with so little experience are usually sniffed out and helped for what they are very quickly. I was a little too good for my own good..."

Good thing you were so "good" at what you did, cause I would never have been able to help myself if you weren’t, so thanks Amy, you had a hand in making me the person that I am now, and I absolutely love that person. And I can’t believe that you don’t know better than to write something with the tone of this letter. Bitch Please, “uniquely stupid fervor of the very young”, get over yourself.

And you knew that you were lying- just like I did Amy. Knowledge you weren't aware you were making up? Each one of those three problems is pure B.S. and you know it. And you KNEW your weren’t going to die when you “tryed” to kill yourself, just like I did once when I was 14 years old. I had a lot of the same problems you did Amy, but now I’m happy. Something that you, obviously, are not. Boo hoo hoo.

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[info]ark002
2007-03-08 09:21 pm UTC (link)
In case you didn't pick up on it, that last post was from me, Little Sam.

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Semi-Gothic Australian?
(Anonymous)
2007-03-12 05:25 am UTC (link)
That "Semi-gothic Australian" as you so delicatly put it is by no means semi-gotic. He knows what he likes and what he does not... terms like gotic or goth should have been lost in highschool.. Why not describe him as the sweet, caring man who loved you no matter what bs you put him through? Or the man who you hurt more then anyone should ever hurt a person they truely care for? There are so many problems you have caused in your little selfish display that have hurt so many people... He deserves so much more then the way you treated him. I plan on being sure he is treated like a prince. He is one of the kindest souls I have ever met in my life, and has been there for me though so much. There were so many barriers he through up to protect himself after you... to protect himself from being so badly hurt again... If there is anyone you need appologize to he is one of them. You made his life hell... seeing your name being sent to him in random mail or emails people send him about you... Being confused about yourself doesn't give you the right to treat people like trash to be disguarded and used as you see fit. You should have more tact. He tried so hard to be there for you...and gave you all he had and all you can say about him is you dated a "semi-gothic australian". That's just cruel, and wrong of you... There is so much you could call him or say about him... that was the most empty and unthoughtful way you could have ever described him.

I will love him, and I will do my best to make sure he is treated the way he deserves... He's to good for you and always was. He knows how to treat people, knows how to treat those he loves and cares for. For once in your life care about what happens to the people you have hurt and laid to waste in your wake. Don't be so self centered, and such a drama queen to pop up again after all this time stirs up bad memories in all those you hurt. It's bad taste... I will end it with that note.

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Re: Semi-Gothic Australian?
(Anonymous)
2007-05-10 02:26 am UTC (link)
Here, Here! The Aussi was a great guy, who stuck around with Amy even when she told him he was a lesbian. I went to school with the guy and have nothing but respect for the fellow. And semi-gothic?! Thats a bit of a stretch. If you (Amy) decide to start apologizing to people. Place him high on your list.

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Re: Semi-Gothic Australian? - (Anonymous), 2007-07-26 07:33 pm UTC
Re: Semi-Gothic Australian? - (Anonymous), 2007-10-03 11:58 pm UTC
Re: Semi-Gothic Australian? - (Anonymous), 2008-01-21 10:57 am UTC

[info]deliciouspear
2007-03-17 08:12 pm UTC (link)
I don't see an apology any where in there.

"All I wanted was to make a lot of people happy, but I did it in a way that was maladjusted to say the least, and with the facts as truly beyond the bizarre as they are, I can certainly understand and hold no malice against those who could see no possibility but a deliberate scam."

I never saw a deliberate scam, but I did see and STILL DO see someone who will not accept the blame for anything. To me it just seems like you've moved on from blaming others (like myself) to "blaming" dissasosiation with reality.

Whatever way you slice it, you're still NOT taking responsibility.

I really do hope you can become healthy and honest eventually. Right now, I don't think you're trying.

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(Anonymous)
2007-03-18 04:40 pm UTC (link)
I just wanted to commend you for your bravery, honesty, and strength in posting this; it takes a lot of courage to own up to past mistakes, and you could just as easily have not come back to a public fandom space at all.

I do empathize with your situation. I wish I could take back actions and words from my late teens. My "wake up call" came a bit earlier, as I was hospitalized at 20, but this was in the pre-readily available internet days. Given my own penchant for disappearing into fantasy, I think I would have some of the same difficulties had I been born fifteen years later and could have found fandom (and slash) just a few clicks away.

Good luck with the future. I know it won't be easy, but you are human, and as a human being on this earth, you make mistakes, but you deserve to be happy. Everyone does.

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To Anonymous
[info]thetrainshere
2007-03-19 05:12 pm UTC (link)
Yes, Anonymous Everyone posting on this site has made mistakes in our lives. We would not be human if did not. Mistakes are not only made by the young. It continues through life and we learn from each one we make. The problem that we have with Amy's "honesty, bravery, and strength" is that we have heard these things before. If you knew her as those that "worked" with her and "lived with her" you would know that this was to get people who have caught her scamming others after us off her back and to see if she could get back into fandom or the stars good graces. She has been caught in several lies already in her apology. Strength would be to contact each of us that had personal contact with her and say she was sorry for what she did. Those that had a "relationship" with her. Amy seems to remember all that "caused her to become a bad person". I am sure she also remembers the lies and cruel things she did to us in using all of us. That would be strength, honesty, bravery and courage to admit to them. Strength would be to contact the Convention center and face them as we had to face them. Strength would be to call the Portland Parks office and make arrangements to make payment for a bad check that "she/He as Jordan Wood fake name" wrote to them. Find the strength that we did to face them. Strength would have been to face Myrna as we did but it is too late for that. She had to face the city and her landlord alone. Strength, bravery, and honesty would be to right the wrongs that she did. Amy cannot take back what SHE AND ABBEY DID TOGETHER but she could be honest about why she did it. To be cruel to others does mean she must have something wrong that therapy can help. We who had a "relationship" with Amy have heard "I am or I got help" before. What the therapist said or did to her with her parents before. I hope Amy Player and Abigail Stone are both getting help. I hope they both go on to lead productive lives and we never have to hear that they were scamming others again. These are the people I would like to that for their bravery, honesty, strength and courage; Jeanine for helping stop the illegal activities, for her believing me and in me R and J, the twins, for taking me in when I was homeless after returning to the northwest, for believing in me Myrna for believing us and in the wonderful volunteers who truly were responsible for building the garden The group who truly believed in the garden and it's vision, I love your bravery for being there for the garden For those who had to be brave face hate and distrust for others bad actions For those who faced Lawrence and Jeb with me One Small Garden and it's future projects Jason, the strength to be my friend through all that mess and to be there with me in Portland picking up the pieces they left behind John and Talisha for your strength and bravery after the Tentmoot collapse and trusting us with your wedding To friends and strangers online who gave all of us support and comfort To the people at the Convention Center for believing in the rest of our groups honesty For the bravery of Sean Astin to believe in our honesty and our strength to go on and care for the garden To Kiran for trusting us For those who had to strength to forgive us when we realized we had been lied to about them. Thank you to those who showed me what bravery, strength, honesty, courage, friendship, stewardship and love are really about. Love you all Sue

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Re: To Anonymous - [info]thetrainshere, 2007-03-19 05:19 pm UTC
Re: To Anonymous Spelling again - [info]thetrainshere, 2007-03-20 12:25 am UTC
Re: To Anonymous - [info]frodolass, 2007-04-10 02:02 pm UTC
Re: To Anonymous - [info]thetrainshere, 2007-04-10 05:34 pm UTC
Man, it was late last night when I posted... - [info]frodolass, 2007-04-10 08:15 pm UTC

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